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in the beginning of may. to the extent that you do not want to put a certain amount of money into training, and you have the ability -- i have the ability to go back to the mayor's office and say the commission does not want to put this amount of money into training, and therefore, we need to have them make changes to the budget. but the charter and admen code require that we submit something to them on the 22nd -- the charter and admin code. i apologize if is not to the level that you wanted. commissioner murphy: thank you. >> ok, we have a motion on the floor. we will take a roll call vote. commissioner murphy: no. commissioner hechanova: no. commissioner clinch: no.
commissioner mar: yes. commissioner romero: [inaudible] commissioner walker: yes. >> the vote is 3-3, and we need a vote of 5 to put forward the budget, so the motion fails. [inaudible] ok. at the end, on part of future agendas, we can discuss about having a special meeting or what we are going to do. commissioner murphy: ok. >> is there any public comment on this item? all right, item 6, election of the bic president and vice-
president. we will take nominees for president first and then the vice president. commissioner murphy: commissioner lee is not present today, and i feel all seven commissioners should be present if we are going to have an election. i would like to continue this to our march meeting. >> i would just like to remind everyone that we have done that twice in the past when we have not had seven commissioners present, but we would have to take a vote. for a continuance. commissioner walker: i want to just thank you, president murphy, for taking on the leadership of the commission as
you have, the challenge and, i appreciate that you have been there, so i just wanted to say that, and then, i'm happy to differ -- happy to defer. i agree with that. commissioner murphy: thank you, commissioner walker. coming from you, that means a lot. [laughter] that is that a form of a motion -- >> is that a form of a motion? >> i, too, have a belief that all seven should be here, for both a combination of not only votes, but also, the voice that should be expressed by all seven commissioners. i am in support of the continuance. >> ok, though -- okay, so, can i take it that commissioner walker
is making a motion for the continuance and commissioner hechanova commissioner walker: -- walker that is fine -- commissioner has genoa -- commissioner hechanova -- commissioner walker: that is fine. >> all those in favor? all those opposed? we will continue item six. item seven is review and approval of the minutes of the special meeting of november 29, 2010. >> move to approve. >> second. >> all those in favor? the minutes are approved. we are now on any public comment on items 7. item eight, commissioner questions and matters. 8a is increase staff.
commissioner walker: thank you. i would love to have a gin diced -- agendized an update from the mayor's office of the follow-up on the committee -- they made a notice that they were forming a committee, so if we could get the update from -- i guess it was the city administrator's office, now the mayor, on that, including the action they are taking on tax for recommendations. and i would love to see on the agenda may be a recommendation about how to speed up getting reports, doing what was recommended about maybe there are certain things we could
have as a separate over-the- counter issue. i think that is its for now, for me. commissioner murphy: i talked to ann a little bit about a couple of weeks back. there were volunteers, and i would like if we could identify these volunteers and maybe give them a certificate of appreciation for their volunteer time. again, as i looked at that and read through it, one of the things i noticed was again, the absence of the homeowners and property owners. i still say, and i am always
harping about this, but i do not think that we are represented as well as they could have been. anyway, i thank the people who stepped up, not people who are getting paid. the volunteers. suggestion. and we could put that on the agenda and kick that around at the next meeting. >> and you would want this to be from the bic, not from the department? commissioner murphy: that is right. >> my only question would be that somebody identify those volunteers. i would hate to be responsible for leaving anyone commissioner murphy: out murphy maybe commission -- i would hate to be responsible for leaving anyone out. commissioner murphy: maybe commissioner walker could help us with that. commissioner walker: i would be
happy to. commissioner clinch: talking about the disaster recovery unit brings to mind something i have been curious about. they are plans to bring in help from private engineers to a man of the inspection, and that sort of thing, and i'd just curious if there is a plan in place. >> yes, we have a plan in place. we have the program where private engineers will be part of, but we also have a mutual aid with other cities and counties were qualified inspectors. >> this is a nationwide mutual aid society for inspectors. we went to louisiana. we went to new york. it is a mutual aid for inspectors and for people in this industry. >> can i follow up on that? maybe we can have a
presentation. there's also training available for air staff -- i have been to one as a first responder. when you are looking and tagging buildings, it might be something that we just talked about here as an agenda item, with the department is going to do in case of the emergency. family to the party perhaps on the issue, and i am a little bit reluctant to have a louisiana engineer inspecting a home in san francisco. i'm sure it has been talk through, but i would just like to hear more. >> and commissioner walker, if you could let me know, i'd try to find out if commissioner hechanova would like to take the training you took, and i cannot find who offers it. >> you need to contact lawrence cornfield.
i'm on a state committee, i can get you the information. >>, i know commissioner hechanova had mentioned he wanted to do that. is there any public comment on the increase in staff? seeing none -- commissioner murphy: maybe we need to have a little discussion with our attorney regarding the special meeting to hear the budget again in a week's time, work with the mayor's office. is that ok to do that? >> yes. the commission can hold a special meeting to take up the budget again. i mean, if they were closed session items, they would have to qualify under whatever the requisite subject matter was. commissioner murphy: so we wait
until we hear back from the mayor's office for the board of supervisors? commissioner mar: can we get an update about what is happening with that joint meeting with planning? just to put some dates on the calendar. commissioner murphy: i will try to get a date for that, hopefully in the next couple of months. >> yes, it usually takes us a while to get a joint meeting with planning. >> they have to meet when they do not have a planning meeting. >> but my question is -- will i hear from you as to when we are going to have a special meeting regarding the budget? at some point, we do have to -- at some point, does the commission have to move the budget?
that it does not seem to, but if you want to read about the budget, it makes sense that we would do it before the 22nd. it is after, it is already too late. commissioner murphy: that is also a suggestion. i have no problem with that. >> the 22nd is a tuesday. >> and monday is a holiday. commissioner murphy: so it could be done on tuesday. i will not be here. i'm out of town next week. >> and if we do not have frank, which we may not have, then we only have 5 people. >> can i ask a question? is the likelihood that they will use the budget that we have or just come up with their own? i just want to know -- that of past practice has been a will take the suggestions of the
department, but the mayor can make changes to the budget. >> and he can anyway, whether we support it -- >> yes, he can. >> he might do some other stuff. just pointing it out. >> i think we are done. commissioner murphy: we will hear back. >> ok. so i will hear from you or whatever or try to make a date or whatever. ok. all right, any public comment on item number b, if there is any public left? item nine, adjournment -- >> i have one more question. could you update the schedule of the subcommittees? >> we probably will after we vote for president and vice president, the next meeting we will vote for the said
committee. there really are not any changes on the subcommittee, accept one woman may not have gone through with being on a board due to the process of going through a waiver. >> all right. thank you. >> director? bamut is it possible to get a list of questions from the commission that they would like answered for the next budget presentation so that staff does know what they want presented to them and what they do not want presented to them, so we can kind of be on the same wavelength? commissioner murphy: i'll have a list of questions for you this afternoon. >> can i ask the other commissioners, if you have any questions, to get them to me by friday. commissioner murphy: i would like the other commissioners to weigh in on this as well if they have questions. >> you can e-mail it to me, and i can put them together in case there is duplication, and i can
>> thanks for coming today. we are announcing are temporary homeowner's property tax reduction program. this is what most assessor's up and down the state are doing. homeowners are reliable -- of all property owners are eligible for a temporary, 1-year property-tax assessment reduction if they believe or if we believe dave -- the assess the value has fallen above their market value, which means that the value would be lower than the market value. in general, homeowners who are eligible, chances are, they purchased homes after 2003. we do get applicants who have owned homes since 1995 or earlier. in general, anybody who is owned their home prior to 2003, they are doing well, which is good news. chances are the market value is higher than the assessed value,
meaning the property appreciate it. people we are able to offer little relief for, the sad news is, their homes have depreciated. there will be a little bit of relief for them. in general, last year, we saw 6400 applicants in comparison to four years ago when we had 248 requests. the form a simple. it is one page. name, telephone number, e-mail, and the address you are applying for. if you can give us sales in formation of similar types of homes, we do hope you can give us that. if you cannot come maternity leave blank and sign it. e-mail or fax it to us -- if you cannot give us that, leave it blank and sign it. e-mail or fax it was.
tenderloin downtown, south of market, mission bay, and south beach. those were many of the new high- rise condominiums that went in to market the last four or five years. we have seen a significant amount of depreciation in those areas. gaviria that has seen the largest value drop is -- the other area that has seen the largest volume drop is the outer mission, amazon, those areas have seen the largest percentage drop. it is where we have been hit hardest with foreclosures. we make sure that we take an extra look. we proactively have been reviewing every home that was purchased after 2000. even though we think eligibility is for people up to 2003, we review any homeowner who purchased after 2000. that was roughly about 15,000 homeowners. of that, reduced -- no one had
to apply or call us. we did this on our own. we reduced 10,000 of those homeowners. roughly, you have 10,000 reductions that we did on our own. 1700 reductions were done through this application process. 5000 time shares is how you get to the 17,000 number. just to give you a comparison, it is quite a bit in san francisco. these are huge numbers, larger than the dot com bust. alameda and santa clara did about 1000 come a tenfold. -- 1000, tenfold. we are doing better than our counterparts in other parts of the bay area. i feel fortunate. the tax reduction was about 21 million in taxes that were not collected. 21 million in taxes were not
collected. that is a significant number. it is out of a $6.5 billion budget. overall, the difference to the city is still rather small compared to what it meant to many of the other counties in other areas. let me stop there and take questions. >> [inaudible] >> 6462. of those, we actually reviewed only 4177. many of those were already reviewed. we have actively reviewed them. some of them were not eligible. >> [inaudible] >> anybody who has gotten a reduction, they don't need to apply. we will look at it again. if you have gotten a reduction
through an appeal or through our office, they don't need to apply again. they will be reviewed. they may want to apply because maybe they want to give us information we don't know. they are free to do that. that will be reviewed as part of that process. in general, they don't need to submit paperwork if they already got a reduction last year. >> [inaudible] >> well, i think because it is just flat, the market has not rebounded and gone up. we will probably see the same number of people deserve reductions last year. i think it will be comparable. traditionally, an economic recovery is like a v. this is more like a u.
we're at the bottom of it right now. my feeling is we are going to see, you know, a very unusual real-estate market in san francisco. it will be flat and not appreciate a whole lot right now. the number people who are eligible is probably similar to last year. i bet we will give about the same number of reductions this year as we did last year. it will not be that much different. >> [inaudible] >> anybody that was reviewed -- everybody in san francisco got a letter from us in july. they were told what their assessed value was. there were told that they got a reduction. if they got a reduction based on the letter, they don't need to reapply. what people do is we will review applicants. the deadline is march 31. all 17,000 who got reductions will be reviewed automatically. everyone will get notified again in july. we will not talk to anybody
prior to that. everyone else will be getting the standard notification in july. >> [inaudible] you review these every year. >> every year. the reductions we review every year. as the market appreciates, we may take their assessments up based on what the market value is. they may go all the way back up to the factor value. it may go up partially higher. obviously, that is what he would see. you would see a step over the years to include the appreciation based on what the market is feeling. right now, we are not seeing a whole lot of appreciation. chances are, the assessment will be a little bit different than last year. the original purchase applies plus whatever the inflation factor was on an annual basis. in general, up to 2%. we had a negative inflation
factor for the first time last year. everybody got a reduction last year. >> [inaudible] >> this year, cpi based on the final number we saw, is. 5% positive. it is still well below 2%. -- is .5% positive. it is still well below 2%. the economy is still rather flat. >> [inaudible] >> everybody who does not get a reduction will get a .5% increase in their assessment. that is just a proximate. it will probably be pretty close to that. we can show you the website. we follow the same website.
it is the state cpi. it is a tracking mechanism for the state. >> [inaudible] >> i think there will vote to finalize in the next month or two. i think the number is done. >> overall, when all is said and done, what is the amount that you're going to receive [inaudible] >> for reductions, it will really just depend on how much your property might have depreciated or appreciate id. some areas where maybe there was a 5% or 3%, the good news in san francisco, we have not seen a few drops we saw in other parts of the bay area, like solano, or properties dropped 50%. you don't want that. you want your property to
appreciate. that is the goal. it might be $50, $100, maybe a few hundred dollars. it and will not be anything huge -- it will not be anything huge. >> [inaudible] >> over last year, it was a $21 million difference. because of the temporary reductions in homeowners values, there was $21 million that was not collected by the county. let's put that in context of the $6.5 billion budget. >> [inaudible] >> the total property tax collected is about $2 billion. overall, we are doing quite well. >> [inaudible] >> overall, property-tax as have done extremely well the last five, 10 years. we have seen huge increases overall. >> [inaudible]
>> no idea. if i did, i should be in las vegas placing a bet, or should be in new york making more money than i am here. the controller's office is probably tracking it more than us. we don't know. we have seen -- we have seen several governments pumped $1 trillion into the economy. it is a huge amount of money. we have seen some improvements, but not the ones they were hoping for. great. ok. thanks, everybody.
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